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exploring the bazaars your e-ticket ride

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into the world of the paranormal

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds

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cryptozoology waters as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night now your electrifying hosts of

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exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

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team sports well here we are in the

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Scottish Highland it has some really

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spectacular landscapes rolling hills

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green pastures and fresh air well I see

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that you've really gotten into the swing

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of things with your kilt and bagpipe

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well you've got a pretty pretty near to

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showing there my friend

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got underwear under that oh yeah well

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you'll never know big boy but let's

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let's be a bit more serious if that's

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possible we need to carry on in the

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search for clues involving Scotland's

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most documented UFO landing of all time

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and we have the key investigator with us

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tonight this Tim is a landmark case well

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I'm really excited about that

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well I was just about to look for the

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Loch Ness monster but I guess we should

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get back to KCRA radio studios in Las

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Vegas and you can introduce our guest

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for this evening all right I was looking

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forward to meeting the Loch Ness monster

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- hello I hear I hear that freaks you

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out only if I was swimming in the water

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I would never never go into and swim in

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a lake say like a loch ness or a lake

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champlain that that allegedly has a

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monster it's just just a thought of

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something like that brushing up against

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me in the dark water well it's dark cold

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and the full of

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oh I guess si si de buri or whatever you

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about it we'll find out more than I've

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been the lochness myself didn't see

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anything but our guest tonight has quite

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a story about Loch Ness but I think we

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want to start off with the UFO material

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first sure well our guest tonight and

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and I'm really pleased that we were able

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to get him to come on our program

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tonight is Malcom Robinson now Malcolm

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is a a prolific lecturer and is famous

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for his lively and somewhat theatrical

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presentations on UFO and other

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inspirational topics now he's spoken

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extensively in England Scotland and

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Ireland now Malcolm was the first

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Scotsman to give a lecture on UFOs in

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America when he lectured at the 18th

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annual international UFO conference in

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Laughlin Nevada and that was in 2009

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he's also one of only a handful of

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people on the planet

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who could say that they've been down to

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the depth of over 400 feet when he went

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down into submarine in Loch Ness back in

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1994 he's a brave man I would never do

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that Malcolm says that he's been

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interested in the strange world of UFOs

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and the paranormal for as long as he can

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remember and in 1979 he formed his own

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Research Society entitled strange

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phenomena investigations now since

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forming this society he since moved down

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to a Hastings in East Sussex where he

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has started up a sister branch to SBI

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entitled strange phenomena

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investigations England now Malcolm has

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appeared on numerous television

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programmes and documentaries or around

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the world and he's also the author of

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such books as the monsters of Loch Ness

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paranormal Case Files of Great Britain

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UFO Case Files of Scotland vol 1 and 2

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Woods UFO incident so Malcolm thank you

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very much for being with us tonight on

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exploring the bizarre it's a pleasure to

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been a chat we don't like to call

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interviews there this is just just a

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little chat we have here in our in our

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living room once a week but I I've read

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up on this particular case for for a

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number of years and it's probably one of

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the most fascinating and I think as far

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documented but before we get into into

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sighting or anything that led you to get

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interested in this I mean you just

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didn't obviously wake up one morning in

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the sight I'm going to be a UFO or a

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paranormal investigator yeah that's very

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true I mean I've always had this

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fascination for all things weird and

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wonderful ever since I was a small boy

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fascination for ghosts poltergeists UFOs

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Lake Monsters and as I grew older I

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subjects and I threw myself very deeply

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and gotten broiled and all these

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wonderful subjects have travelled the

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science you know science doesn't know

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is so and so the challenges of de Falla

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to be ripped over and they analysed and

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I'm just pleased that my journey has

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taken me all over the world speaking to

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some fascinating people and of course

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encounter which obviously I'll be

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telling you about shortly so for me that

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clearly clearly clearly it's something

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skies of this world which absolutely

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and I just wished more scientists would

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get involved with this subject but

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having said that you know it's a big big

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jigsaw and there's pieces of this puzzle

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spread all over the world researchers

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trying to see what picture it portrays

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so it's just a fascinating journey

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absolutely now you you get involved in

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this case I think right from the

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beginning weren't you one of the first

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investigators yes it was I was one of

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this case I've interviewed the witness

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investigation and I just realized

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and absolutely tax your brain as to what

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see that eventful morning and I'm

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quite a lot that say I'll be speaking

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year half of the year event start out

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woods and got lost a very mundane job he

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Air Force he had read about it of course

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barking very very furiously at this

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standing there transfixed he just

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couldn't take his eyes off what he was

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looking at then suddenly what resembled

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two Second World War sea mains those

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spherical balls with his spikes that was

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maned in the North Atlantic during the

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similar to that two of them drop down

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to roll across the grass towards Bob

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suddenly projected these rod-like

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projections to Ward's his person

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grabbing him very very forcibly both

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hips and pulled him pull them towards

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this larger object and at this point Bob

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remembers a horrible smell a horrible

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burning smell which pervaded the whole

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area a very corrosive rasping burning

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smell and he also heard the swishing

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nose swishing noise and that he lost

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the smaller objects were gone and they

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grace under his chin his chosen of

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tourneys his jersey was all muddy and he

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started to crawl back to his department

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to pick up chalk which was about so

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the forestry path he tried to read your

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base to call his colleagues but he found

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that he couldn't speak and any ear

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coordination he you know something had

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happened and the truck was reversed into

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a ditch which he he sadly couldn't get

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Livingston nutone and Central Scotland

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and when his waist when his wife's arms

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he meant my god what's happened to you

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Bob and he said I've been attacked

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yeah why have you been attacked by what

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and he he said that their motto what a G

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no he says the only ones you could see

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was by a spaceship and his wife says of

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Bob come and there's no such thing as a

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special comment I'm gonna phone the

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doctor so Bob then went into the family

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home and he kept going on a bit of a

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strange smell and his wife says well I

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can't smell anything Bob well I can

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smell this she phoned his say the local

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doctor a local GP attended the family

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home and they did some tests on Bob

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another LAN maybe his heart was racing a

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bit you know there but nothing really

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wrong

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he saw the grease under his chin and on

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his head and the doctor suggested that

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they make an appointment for him to go

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and see a doctor at the local Bangor

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hospital so just before that happened

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his wife phoned Bob Taylor's boss the

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foresty boss a mr. Malcolm Drummond so

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he then came to the witness's home and

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his and he says okay Bob what's going on

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what's happened so Bob proceeded to tell

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his boss about this crazy thing they had

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seen in their wigs evening my goodness

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me what's this

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and mr. Drummond Roberts boss knew that

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Bob would never ever tell a talk to you

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he knew he was a salt of the earth he

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was a genuine man there's no way that

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his employee would concoct such an

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incredible tool like this and for what

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why would he want to do that anyway Bob

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went to the Bangor hospital he waited an

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hour he waited two hours and nobody came

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near him so he decided to just sign

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himself off it just couldn't be bothered

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waiting you know and he discharged

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himself from the hospital at that point

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Malcolm Drummond Bob's boss realized

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that something serious something serious

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has just happened here Rob Robert

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claimed he was assaulted so the police

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became involved and he treated it as a

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case of an assault by person or persons

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unknown

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rather than scoff and laugh at this the

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police treated

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very seriously the went up to the

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location they clearly saw these marks in

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the grass and about an hour or so later

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the the area was fenced off to ensure

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that no members of the public strayed

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into the the area and contaminated the

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site by their own footprints etc and the

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following day I managed to get up to the

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dunes i sat with Robert Dylan in his

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home and how did you hear how did you

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hear about the case that it did it get

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immediate press attention it most

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certainly did yeah it was all over the

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Scottish news and it's through the

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Scottish news that I learned about the

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case and I quickly got in touch with

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robert taylor he invited me to his home

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the following day and I conducted our

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taped interview with them and his home

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was awash awash with journalists TV

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people and they realized that this was a

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a big ongoing story and that same day we

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went up to the woods my colleague and

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myself and we met Robert Taylor there

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with a couple of English UFO

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investigators and that's where we took

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place a plaster of Paris moods of the

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indentations in the grass which were

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clearly there and so the story goes that

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Robert says look this is what I saw I'm

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not imagining it this truly happened to

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me and it was one of those one of the

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most bizarre cases and mythology and

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Scotland to date and as one of these

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cases that I felt desperately needed a

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book on its own detail because since

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that incident in 1979 tum' have been 11

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different theories to try and explain

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that I know that some of them are just

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so out landish well let's go over a

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couple of them the one that I put a high

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on the list of being somewhat hilarious

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is the fact that he a

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the poison or tainted their berries yes

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that's correct

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a chap called Dave Slater decided to

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come up with this the theory that Robert

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Taylor ingested a super belladonna which

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is a poisonous berry and taken in high

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doses can kill you and even if you rub

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the juices squeeze the juices in the

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palms of your hands your your hands will

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you know that'll go into your skin

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through the skin etc and I asked Bob

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about this Bob have you ever ever taken

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berries that maybe you shouldn't

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and he says Malcolm not at all it says

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those berries don't even belong in

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Dedmon woods and I checked through

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various societies to ask them is it

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possible that Atropa belladonna this

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poisonous berries do they exist or can

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be found in Deckman woods and everybody

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says no they can't

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so that kind of blew that theory out of

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the water but mr. Slater went on to say

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that at that time in 1979 there was a

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that Tim there was only about three or

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four television stations and ITV and at

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the independent television network but

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on strike so there was only one

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television show at the time the BBC BBC

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one and it was showing Doctor Who the

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episode called the city of death now in

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that particular program term there was a

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similar object to what Robert Taylor saw

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but very briefly asked the family ask

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Bob Bob have you ever watched Doctor Who

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no he's no interesting it was serviced

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so that wouldn't have been they can a

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catalyst for him yeah oh the also too

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there is a gentleman that you quote

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extensively in the book who said that he

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had seen nothing more unusual than a

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water tower that existed across the

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highway

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yeah we have a gentleman called Phil

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Fenton who believes that Robert Dylan

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wasn't really seen

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he was it was at the other side of the

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motorway where there's part more woods

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but there's a water tower there which

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admittedly on the top does look kinda

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similar to what Robert Taylor saw but I

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mean Robert maintains that he was not

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there at all I mean the marks in the

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grass are on the other side of the

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motorway and no we have near the other

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location and it's quite a whimsical

429
00:21:10,820 --> 00:21:07,680
fanciful story from Phil fainting who

430
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state 6 states that he was on the other

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side of the motorway most certainly

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wasn't but the thing is Tim that we we

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have to give credence to anyone who

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would come up with a reasonable

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explanation because it's an every single

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investigators main set to look over the

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fence look at the other side of the coin

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00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:29,970
take on boards the skeptics point of

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00:21:37,970 --> 00:21:32,610
view and analyzer as we have done in the

440
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book yeah any any particular explanation

441
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that you might give some credence to and

442
00:21:47,780 --> 00:21:44,760
well I mean possibly possibly a medical

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00:21:49,730 --> 00:21:47,790
condition yeah really subscribe to that

444
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:49,740
I don't fully subscribe to that must say

445
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and maybe a mini-stroke

446
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etc to cause some form of hallucination

447
00:21:59,060 --> 00:21:56,940
but there was another Scottish

448
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researcher said that Robert saw a mirage

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00:22:08,150 --> 00:22:05,370
of Venus can you imagine you know and

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00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:08,160
also Venus comes down I mean it comes

451
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down so long that it leaves markings on

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00:22:14,090 --> 00:22:12,210
the ground now I suppose yeah I know I

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00:22:16,700 --> 00:22:14,100
mean I mean I mean that is kinda

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00:22:20,150 --> 00:22:16,710
hilarious and that he also saw a black

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00:22:23,420 --> 00:22:20,160
ball lightning that was maybe some form

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of army testing of a military small

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helicopter I mean I've heard quite a lot

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00:22:33,890 --> 00:22:29,430
of theories but I for me personally it

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Sam I believe that Bob for some reason

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entered into an area which either was

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right for him or wrong for him you know

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00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:40,530
he was in the right place at the right

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time or the wrong place long time but I

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believe Bob saw something not of this

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world something which maybe was

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dimensional which fluttered into that

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area of the woods

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very very quickly yes but of course he

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did also have the RIP in his pants huh

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how big was the actual tear yeah I mean

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there's two different size tears just

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over two inches long and both sides of

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his trousers now these were analyzed by

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the forensic Department of the police in

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Edinburgh and Central Scotland and the

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police a forensic man says that these

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trousers were not ripped by barbed wire

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fencing they were not ripped by any

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forest debris like sharp stones or sharp

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twigs these trousers and his opinion was

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ripped in a mechanical manner upwards

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now I've got these trousers here in my

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home they are heavy-duty material and it

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takes quite a lot if you were to rip

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them those trousers

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so um that caner enhances the theory

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that if something happened yeah

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all right gentlemen we need to go to our

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bottom of the hour break so when we come

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back we will continue our conversation

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with Malcolm Robinson on exploring the

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now back to exploring the bazaar with

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two of the most electrifying researchers

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in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

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Lee and Taylor Swift's all right welcome

496
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back to the second segment of exploring

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the bazaar tonight we're talking with

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Malcolm Robinson and his investigation

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into the really there's this fascinating

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case in in Scotland in 1979 with the

501
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forestry worker who really for no fault

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00:24:57,310 --> 00:24:53,750
of his own accidentally ran across a UFO

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00:24:59,800 --> 00:24:57,320
while on his job now Malcolm before we

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00:25:05,350 --> 00:24:59,810
had to go on our break you were talking

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about the condition of his his trousers

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which had a rip and and you were saying

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that the an analysis of this rip showed

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that this was something that I mean it

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that the tear happened did you say

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upwards and obviously by mechanical

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means yes absolutely

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the police forensic chap was absolutely

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convinced that these trousers were torn

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and some kind of mechanical manner I

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mean this chap had been involved with

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murders with assaults with damaged

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clothing for a whole range of creams and

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he was you know subjected to these shows

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us which he had to give a professional

520
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opinion and so he honestly felt that

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yeah these trousers were ripped

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mechanically as opposed to you know

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anything else hmm

524
00:26:06,150 --> 00:26:00,620
what really interests me about this case

525
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:06,160
is how the police department really took

526
00:26:11,260 --> 00:26:09,440
this seriously I mean they they didn't

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00:26:13,300 --> 00:26:11,270
go and say oh yeah you know Robert

528
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:13,310
you're drunk you know go home or

529
00:26:18,129 --> 00:26:15,440
anything like that they they really

530
00:26:20,860 --> 00:26:18,139
took two to heart what he said happened

531
00:26:23,740 --> 00:26:20,870
you know actually happened to him yes

532
00:26:25,869 --> 00:26:23,750
absolutely I mean it's the only year for

533
00:26:27,690 --> 00:26:25,879
kiss in the British Isles that's been

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00:26:30,999 --> 00:26:27,700
the subject of a criminal investigation

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00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:31,009
so that in itself tells you how serious

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00:26:36,759 --> 00:26:33,529
that the Scottish police treated this

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case and there was quite a substantial

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amount of police officers who looked at

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00:26:43,810 --> 00:26:41,480
this case you know quite a few people

540
00:26:46,779 --> 00:26:43,820
were involved in it and I've interviewed

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two or three police officers and they

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00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:48,980
were absolutely baffled and I'm so

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00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:51,200
pleased that they didn't puku this story

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that they treated it seriously they

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interviewed some of Roberts friends and

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00:27:01,240 --> 00:26:59,149
family and this clearly saw that the

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00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:01,250
gentleman who had this experience was

548
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:05,120
just a normal job you know and he had no

549
00:27:10,210 --> 00:27:07,250
airs and graces he was not detailing

550
00:27:12,100 --> 00:27:10,220
fanciful tales like I said at the start

551
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:12,110
in the show he had no interest in the

552
00:27:17,409 --> 00:27:14,480
Air Force or the paranormal he just

553
00:27:19,090 --> 00:27:17,419
wanted to do his job get paid and have

554
00:27:21,789 --> 00:27:19,100
an evening out with his friends and

555
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:21,799
family but that morning that morning

556
00:27:28,749 --> 00:27:25,279
changed his whole life you know and I

557
00:27:32,379 --> 00:27:28,759
mean sadly passed away and 2017 but

558
00:27:34,060 --> 00:27:32,389
before he dead so you know I'm used to

559
00:27:34,779 --> 00:27:34,070
keep in contact with them and he says

560
00:27:37,509 --> 00:27:34,789
Malcolm

561
00:27:39,700 --> 00:27:37,519
I always remember I'm never going to

562
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:39,710
change my mind on what I saw people may

563
00:27:45,220 --> 00:27:41,690
laugh they may scoff they may have the

564
00:27:49,090 --> 00:27:45,230
older theories they were not there they

565
00:27:51,490 --> 00:27:49,100
said I was there I saw this thing and of

566
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:51,500
all the hundreds of people have spoken

567
00:27:57,399 --> 00:27:54,559
to and interviewed over the years Tim he

568
00:28:01,570 --> 00:27:57,409
is one of the best people persons that

569
00:28:03,610 --> 00:28:01,580
have convinced me of the sincerity of a

570
00:28:06,249 --> 00:28:03,620
genuine human being who said a genuine

571
00:28:08,259 --> 00:28:06,259
experience I don't get me wrong people

572
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:08,269
can lie people can lie under my

573
00:28:13,749 --> 00:28:11,120
detectors and conditioner body as such

574
00:28:16,629 --> 00:28:13,759
do to give all the correct signals but

575
00:28:19,570 --> 00:28:16,639
you know we had his testimony we had the

576
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:19,580
marks in the glass skeptics have said

577
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:21,289
that maybe the marks on the glass were

578
00:28:28,029 --> 00:28:25,039
left by some pipes which were being

579
00:28:29,730 --> 00:28:28,039
moved about in the forest two weeks

580
00:28:31,980 --> 00:28:29,740
prior to them

581
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:31,990
an investigation uncovered that the

582
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:34,810
forestry department did not have any

583
00:28:40,770 --> 00:28:37,690
pipes or any materials lying in that

584
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:40,780
patch of woods in the clearing on that

585
00:28:46,980 --> 00:28:43,810
day or not week leading up and after the

586
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:46,990
experience and neither were there any

587
00:28:52,650 --> 00:28:49,450
kind of those big caterpillar you know

588
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:52,660
tractor things and can leave marks 'no

589
00:28:58,140 --> 00:28:55,360
grass none of those were in the area at

590
00:29:00,660 --> 00:28:58,150
the time as well and one of the police

591
00:29:04,110 --> 00:29:00,670
officer said that something had clearly

592
00:29:06,930 --> 00:29:04,120
came down and then went straight back up

593
00:29:09,330 --> 00:29:06,940
because there were no similar marks in

594
00:29:11,970 --> 00:29:09,340
the grass anywhere else to be found in

595
00:29:14,670 --> 00:29:11,980
the woods on that day and we had you

596
00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:14,680
know we tramped all over the woods the

597
00:29:19,650 --> 00:29:17,110
surprising thing is that the actual

598
00:29:22,530 --> 00:29:19,660
location is maybe only about two to

599
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:22,540
three hundred yards away from a busy

600
00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:26,170
motorway which runs into Edinburgh but

601
00:29:30,690 --> 00:29:27,910
the thing we have to bear in mind is

602
00:29:33,210 --> 00:29:30,700
that's a very dense forest so I mean

603
00:29:36,210 --> 00:29:33,220
it's great camouflage for anything that

604
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:36,220
may have happened on occasion so yeah

605
00:29:46,340 --> 00:29:40,930
it's very mysterious now had have have

606
00:29:49,340 --> 00:29:46,350
you looked into if there had been any

607
00:29:51,630 --> 00:29:49,350
reports of UFO sightings in the area

608
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:51,640
before the incident

609
00:29:57,390 --> 00:29:54,640
and then afterwards absolutely Tom yes

610
00:29:59,550 --> 00:29:57,400
and research uncovered a number of

611
00:30:02,400 --> 00:29:59,560
different people within about a five

612
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:02,410
mile radius of those woods who claimed

613
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:04,930
to have seen strange objects in the sky

614
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:08,080
on the weeks leading up to the initial

615
00:30:14,580 --> 00:30:11,770
encounter these objects did not conform

616
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:14,590
to any conventional helicopters or

617
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:17,010
aircraft of any description whatsoever

618
00:30:20,820 --> 00:30:19,570
there were some of them were disc shaped

619
00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:20,830
oval-shaped

620
00:30:25,770 --> 00:30:23,110
traversing the sky at terrific speeds

621
00:30:29,070 --> 00:30:25,780
stopping moving and moving away very

622
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:29,080
very quickly and thankfully we have

623
00:30:34,170 --> 00:30:31,690
people witnesses on record tests the the

624
00:30:36,750 --> 00:30:34,180
mention in my latest book who have come

625
00:30:39,330 --> 00:30:36,760
forward and they put the name and paper

626
00:30:42,060 --> 00:30:39,340
and select yep we can back mr. tiller up

627
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:42,070
now of course that may not have been the

628
00:30:46,649 --> 00:30:43,360
same object

629
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:46,659
we can surmise and speculate maybe it

630
00:30:51,450 --> 00:30:49,330
was maybe it wasn't but thankfully we

631
00:30:54,239 --> 00:30:51,460
have as you mentioned there we have

632
00:30:57,629 --> 00:30:54,249
other witnesses and the weeks leading up

633
00:30:59,220 --> 00:30:57,639
to the actual sighting and that's what

634
00:31:00,289 --> 00:30:59,230
makes it all the more special I guess

635
00:31:05,970 --> 00:31:00,299
yes

636
00:31:09,690 --> 00:31:05,980
now as for Robert himself did did he

637
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:09,700
have any other experiences afterwards

638
00:31:16,489 --> 00:31:13,840
and not just necessarily UFO experiences

639
00:31:19,799 --> 00:31:16,499
I mean as you well know a lot of times

640
00:31:22,830 --> 00:31:19,809
somebody who has had you know a close

641
00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:22,840
encounter with a UFO may then have a

642
00:31:28,460 --> 00:31:26,529
paranormal type of experiences that they

643
00:31:30,779 --> 00:31:28,470
you know can last their entire life

644
00:31:34,049 --> 00:31:30,789
anything like that happened with Robert

645
00:31:35,609 --> 00:31:34,059
afterwards Oh surprisingly not because

646
00:31:37,649 --> 00:31:35,619
we don't ask that question you're quite

647
00:31:40,139 --> 00:31:37,659
right and sometimes it's the case that

648
00:31:42,779 --> 00:31:40,149
when people have these wonderful some

649
00:31:45,450 --> 00:31:42,789
would say wonderful Suzuno experiences

650
00:31:47,639 --> 00:31:45,460
that they have a paranormal experience

651
00:31:50,009 --> 00:31:47,649
or they may see ghosts or things happen

652
00:31:54,060 --> 00:31:50,019
in the family home not with Robert

653
00:31:58,349 --> 00:31:54,070
however however I can say that Jay

654
00:32:02,070 --> 00:31:58,359
Robert Sayre daughter she had a black

655
00:32:04,409 --> 00:32:02,080
car follower following her a few weeks

656
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:04,419
after the incident and blacked-out

657
00:32:09,619 --> 00:32:07,090
windows except I know that may not be

658
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:09,629
mean anything but that was strange and

659
00:32:15,419 --> 00:32:13,049
his daughter thought it was very strange

660
00:32:18,029 --> 00:32:15,429
so I don't know if that's connected or

661
00:32:21,090 --> 00:32:18,039
not but one thing that was quite

662
00:32:25,619 --> 00:32:21,100
interesting to me was that a few years

663
00:32:29,239 --> 00:32:25,629
later $90.00 good few years later 1990

664
00:32:31,950 --> 00:32:29,249
Robert Taylor left his home and ins and

665
00:32:36,539 --> 00:32:31,960
relocated to another beautiful Scottish

666
00:32:37,849 --> 00:32:36,549
village called Blair goalie and which

667
00:32:41,009 --> 00:32:37,859
you believe it

668
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:41,019
crop circles were found and though a

669
00:32:47,729 --> 00:32:44,080
quarter of a mile away from his home to

670
00:32:50,369 --> 00:32:47,739
crop circles and with phones no weather

671
00:32:53,639 --> 00:32:50,379
again that's a coincidence or not people

672
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:53,649
miss speculate and for me personally a

673
00:32:58,409 --> 00:32:56,770
hidden Auk I mean um

674
00:33:01,710 --> 00:32:58,419
I firmly believe that the vast majority

675
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:01,720
of crop circles are indeed man-made I

676
00:33:06,779 --> 00:33:04,330
know a lot of people who make them what

677
00:33:09,419 --> 00:33:06,789
I can't explain no attempt for crop

678
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:09,429
circles as these balls of light which

679
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:12,250
descend from the sky and weaving weave

680
00:33:17,070 --> 00:33:15,039
in the night of the crop fields these

681
00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:17,080
have been filmed the been photographed

682
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:19,510
have been seen and even my one of my

683
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:21,370
friends who makes crop circles

684
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:23,679
he says Malcolm will be making a crop

685
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:25,690
circle one night and then suddenly we

686
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:28,000
saw this figure and it was late at night

687
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:29,919
you know it was dark and I saw this

688
00:33:34,649 --> 00:33:32,799
figure standing at the edge of the field

689
00:33:37,260 --> 00:33:34,659
and they went oh god we've been rumbled

690
00:33:39,330 --> 00:33:37,270
you know women phones oh oh no so they

691
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:39,340
walked towards thinking it's maybe a

692
00:33:44,850 --> 00:33:42,730
farmer so I said walking towards us this

693
00:33:47,690 --> 00:33:44,860
silhouette this figure at the edge of

694
00:33:50,730 --> 00:33:47,700
the field II disappeared completely

695
00:33:53,580 --> 00:33:50,740
disappeared in front of them so even the

696
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:53,590
skeptics or even the crop circle makers

697
00:33:59,340 --> 00:33:56,770
who make these things have told me that

698
00:34:01,860 --> 00:33:59,350
there's paranormal anomalous phenomena

699
00:34:05,610 --> 00:34:01,870
going on when they make these crop

700
00:34:08,099 --> 00:34:05,620
circles and that's not to say that you

701
00:34:09,869 --> 00:34:08,109
know UFOs can meet crop circles I'm not

702
00:34:12,659 --> 00:34:09,879
saying that I can only really speak for

703
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:12,669
what's going on in the UK but getting

704
00:34:17,339 --> 00:34:15,010
back to bob and blair Goudy you know it

705
00:34:19,379 --> 00:34:17,349
was quite interesting that the two crop

706
00:34:22,290 --> 00:34:19,389
circles formed about a quarter of a mile

707
00:34:24,810 --> 00:34:22,300
from his new home yeah I suppose the

708
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:24,820
question is had there been a past

709
00:34:29,579 --> 00:34:26,560
history of crop circles in that area

710
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:29,589
before he moved there a good point again

711
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:38,399
interesting well and and and I find the

712
00:34:44,010 --> 00:34:40,560
fact that his daughter was followed

713
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:44,020
after the fact by a car with blacked out

714
00:34:48,450 --> 00:34:45,599
a black car with blacked-out windows

715
00:34:50,730 --> 00:34:48,460
when I mean you know we've heard that

716
00:34:53,490 --> 00:34:50,740
type of story time and time again and I

717
00:34:55,619 --> 00:34:53,500
sincerely doubt though that that Bob or

718
00:35:00,540 --> 00:34:55,629
his daughter would have had any

719
00:35:03,140 --> 00:35:00,550
knowledge of of this type of activity

720
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:03,150
going you know surrounding UFO witnesses

721
00:35:08,820 --> 00:35:06,490
yeah absolutely I mean when we do an

722
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:08,830
investigation system we put everything

723
00:35:12,580 --> 00:35:10,010
out there

724
00:35:14,740 --> 00:35:12,590
have even tried say commentary on Roman

725
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:14,750
tailors Chaucer's mm-hmm no say

726
00:35:18,670 --> 00:35:16,610
committee I'm sure all your listeners

727
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:18,680
are well-versed in this but for those

728
00:35:25,570 --> 00:35:22,160
who are not say comedy is a psychic gift

729
00:35:28,270 --> 00:35:25,580
that people can hold a watch or a ring

730
00:35:31,060 --> 00:35:28,280
from someone maybe someones deceased and

731
00:35:33,100 --> 00:35:31,070
they suddenly get all these pictures and

732
00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:33,110
the main and information coming to them

733
00:35:40,180 --> 00:35:37,250
so we decide to use some good psychics

734
00:35:43,420 --> 00:35:40,190
to see if that perhaps big big big

735
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:43,430
perhaps if they could take hold Roberts

736
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:45,920
trousers and see if anything make Amenti

737
00:35:51,250 --> 00:35:48,730
that conscious mind and just recently

738
00:35:53,290 --> 00:35:51,260
earlier this month I spoke at a big

739
00:35:56,620 --> 00:35:53,300
psychic convention and a tone of

740
00:36:00,190 --> 00:35:56,630
Bournemouth in England and I gave the

741
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:00,200
trousers were in a polythene bag and any

742
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:02,690
were in another polythene bag so you

743
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:05,210
didn't know what was an ear if you held

744
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:06,770
it you've been oh it's maybe closed

745
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:09,200
because it was squidgy and I gave these

746
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:12,530
shows us to a psychic and their assist

747
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:15,050
can you tell me can you get any quieter

748
00:36:20,770 --> 00:36:18,050
can't tell you what it is that can you

749
00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:20,780
tell me what you get out of this and

750
00:36:26,890 --> 00:36:23,510
this and this is what she got guys this

751
00:36:29,170 --> 00:36:26,900
is what she got or don't leave this I'm

752
00:36:32,620 --> 00:36:29,180
getting I'm getting swing there's a

753
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:32,630
heaviness there's a Braille a oh my god

754
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:34,400
there's something coming from a

755
00:36:39,250 --> 00:36:36,890
different place and I'm I'm getting a

756
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:39,260
joke oh my god I'm gonna sick feeling I

757
00:36:44,860 --> 00:36:41,450
don't like this and then I'm getting

758
00:36:47,710 --> 00:36:44,870
sparking and fingertips I'm getting

759
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:47,720
tingling in my what is this and I told

760
00:36:53,770 --> 00:36:50,810
her what she was holding and so we took

761
00:36:56,170 --> 00:36:53,780
the trousers only the bag and a face was

762
00:36:58,410 --> 00:36:56,180
way you know it's just like my god so

763
00:37:01,210 --> 00:36:58,420
that was interesting you know

764
00:37:03,250 --> 00:37:01,220
psychometry is just the tool maybe it's

765
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:03,260
I don't know if people should use it or

766
00:37:08,500 --> 00:37:05,930
not but for us at least it gives us

767
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:08,510
something it may not necessarily be true

768
00:37:12,610 --> 00:37:11,090
she may have been reading my mind she

769
00:37:15,130 --> 00:37:12,620
may have been getting this from I don't

770
00:37:17,530 --> 00:37:15,140
know where but she didn't know what was

771
00:37:19,420 --> 00:37:17,540
then knows policy in banks she knew it

772
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:19,430
was probably an item of clothing because

773
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:22,880
you know she just is soft etc but that

774
00:37:28,309 --> 00:37:24,210
was interest

775
00:37:33,170 --> 00:37:28,319
yeah that is is very very interesting

776
00:37:36,099 --> 00:37:33,180
now as for Bob himself afterwards

777
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:36,109
I mean well during during his actual

778
00:37:41,150 --> 00:37:37,890
encounter and just immediately

779
00:37:42,829 --> 00:37:41,160
afterwards I mean he had you know you

780
00:37:46,970 --> 00:37:42,839
said that he had trouble walking he

781
00:37:49,460 --> 00:37:46,980
couldn't talk did he feel like that he

782
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:49,470
had any say like residual health

783
00:37:56,359 --> 00:37:52,890
problems afterwards that that that you

784
00:37:58,010 --> 00:37:56,369
know carried on not only in the in the

785
00:37:59,839 --> 00:37:58,020
weeks and months but you know possibly

786
00:38:04,220 --> 00:37:59,849
that followed him around the rest of his

787
00:38:05,690 --> 00:38:04,230
life no it's a very good question it's a

788
00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:05,700
question it should be asked

789
00:38:12,530 --> 00:38:09,510
did you know impact did anything impact

790
00:38:15,470 --> 00:38:12,540
on Bob's health after that encounter not

791
00:38:17,450 --> 00:38:15,480
really is the answer to that one and he

792
00:38:21,049 --> 00:38:17,460
was 61 years of age when the incident

793
00:38:24,890 --> 00:38:21,059
occurred and you know he retired several

794
00:38:30,049 --> 00:38:24,900
years a few years later no I mean it

795
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:30,059
just had issues with you know just just

796
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:31,920
the occasional small health issue but

797
00:38:37,370 --> 00:38:34,290
nothing until what nothing it was really

798
00:38:39,319 --> 00:38:37,380
him possibly came from interacting with

799
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:39,329
something from goodness knows where

800
00:38:44,780 --> 00:38:42,930
because we do know another ufology in

801
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:44,790
the literature if you get closely some

802
00:38:50,059 --> 00:38:46,530
of these is craft call them what you

803
00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:50,069
will sometimes not always sometimes may

804
00:38:57,770 --> 00:38:54,089
impact on your health etc but thankfully

805
00:38:59,569 --> 00:38:57,780
on this occasion nothing really impacted

806
00:39:02,569 --> 00:38:59,579
on Roberts health other than just your

807
00:39:05,410 --> 00:39:02,579
normal you get older your body hits it

808
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:05,420
down anyway you know and so yeah just

809
00:39:12,109 --> 00:39:08,970
know now the research that I've done

810
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:12,119
over the years on on cases like this you

811
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:13,530
know I don't think that I have run

812
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:17,040
across anything that really comes even

813
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:21,359
close to to being similar to this

814
00:39:26,599 --> 00:39:24,480
incident you know possibly the only case

815
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:26,609
that and I can't remember all the

816
00:39:33,070 --> 00:39:30,930
details was a witness who saw what he he

817
00:39:36,460 --> 00:39:33,080
called like

818
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:36,470
walking tin cans came out of a landed

819
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:37,970
UFO he said that looked like that they

820
00:39:42,250 --> 00:39:39,680
were walking on like little fins that

821
00:39:43,450 --> 00:39:42,260
came up and looked like that the same

822
00:39:46,060 --> 00:39:43,460
like that they looked at him and then

823
00:39:49,540 --> 00:39:46,070
went back into the ship but you know

824
00:39:53,890 --> 00:39:49,550
have you run across anything that even

825
00:39:57,070 --> 00:39:53,900
covers remotely close to it being

826
00:39:59,260 --> 00:39:57,080
similar to this case yeah I mean there's

827
00:40:02,380 --> 00:39:59,270
a couple of illustrations and Malia

828
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:02,390
spoke on the case there was a year for

829
00:40:08,410 --> 00:40:05,570
sating in England several years ago

830
00:40:11,410 --> 00:40:08,420
which resembled the what robert taylor

831
00:40:13,540 --> 00:40:11,420
saw the circular object with the flange

832
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:13,550
going around it and what the object

833
00:40:18,850 --> 00:40:16,160
didn't have was the cross lake

834
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:18,860
propellers robert taylor also saw

835
00:40:24,730 --> 00:40:21,920
sticking up from that flange and there

836
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:24,740
was also a sighting of one spiky ball

837
00:40:32,890 --> 00:40:28,880
and a above a small town called skegness

838
00:40:35,350 --> 00:40:32,900
here in England England that had this

839
00:40:39,340 --> 00:40:35,360
sparkling effect coming from one of the

840
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:39,350
prods down to the ground and when I

841
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:41,570
interviewed a couple of English

842
00:40:47,530 --> 00:40:44,690
researchers about this case they told me

843
00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:47,540
that there was a case very similar that

844
00:40:54,310 --> 00:40:50,710
occurred in South America back in the

845
00:40:57,370 --> 00:40:54,320
1960s where two objects similar to what

846
00:41:01,420 --> 00:40:57,380
Robert Taylor saw the spiky balls came

847
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:01,430
from an object but they exported thank

848
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:06,770
God that didn't explode in this case in

849
00:41:10,990 --> 00:41:08,960
that regard because at the end of the

850
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:11,000
day people like myself and my colleagues

851
00:41:15,610 --> 00:41:13,370
all over the world we're trying to get

852
00:41:18,580 --> 00:41:15,620
the pieces of the jigsaw did something

853
00:41:20,350 --> 00:41:18,590
similar happen please tell us so we're

854
00:41:22,210 --> 00:41:20,360
always this is why we write books and

855
00:41:25,180 --> 00:41:22,220
and you know do the magazine's to say

856
00:41:28,090 --> 00:41:25,190
for someone somewhere to put their hand

857
00:41:30,100 --> 00:41:28,100
and say you know what guys guys I can

858
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:30,110
tell you about something that we saw so

859
00:41:35,140 --> 00:41:32,960
we're always looking for that other hand

860
00:41:37,570 --> 00:41:35,150
to go up and say guys we saw this and

861
00:41:41,530 --> 00:41:37,580
the other I've only came across maybe

862
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:41,540
about three or four similar since 1979

863
00:41:46,150 --> 00:41:44,960
about doing the descents but as we know

864
00:41:48,180 --> 00:41:46,160
guys there yes

865
00:41:50,380 --> 00:41:48,190
always come in all shapes and sizes and

866
00:41:56,770 --> 00:41:50,390
that's what makes it so damn interesting

867
00:41:58,210 --> 00:41:56,780
you know and always will do I guess and

868
00:42:01,690 --> 00:41:58,220
you may you may have mentioned this

869
00:42:04,210 --> 00:42:01,700
during the the first part of this show

870
00:42:06,670 --> 00:42:04,220
but you said that he had his dog with

871
00:42:10,540 --> 00:42:06,680
him during this encounter what what

872
00:42:12,310 --> 00:42:10,550
happened to the dog afterwards a bit did

873
00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:12,320
was the dog still with him when he woke

874
00:42:19,890 --> 00:42:16,310
up I do love your questions yes the dog

875
00:42:22,450 --> 00:42:19,900
was there it was in a distressed it and

876
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:22,460
needless to say because its master was

877
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:24,650
lying prone on the ground and conscious

878
00:42:29,950 --> 00:42:27,200
we don't know how long Robert Taylor

879
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:29,960
wasn't conscious when these bollock

880
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:32,570
things grabbed him he had to smell

881
00:42:39,940 --> 00:42:37,490
etcetera and but I've learned while

882
00:42:42,970 --> 00:42:39,950
writing this book something that didn't

883
00:42:46,540 --> 00:42:42,980
know before and that is that the Robert

884
00:42:49,660 --> 00:42:46,550
Taylor's dog and didn't leave the family

885
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:49,670
home for months even to go out from the

886
00:42:54,130 --> 00:42:52,160
toilet it didn't leave the family home

887
00:42:57,490 --> 00:42:54,140
at all we only learned I was researching

888
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:57,500
the book surprising that that fight

889
00:43:05,050 --> 00:43:00,640
never was released to me beforehand but

890
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:05,060
you know so in that regard that strange

891
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:07,370
no we could ask front of that question

892
00:43:11,700 --> 00:43:09,530
by saying but with any health problems

893
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:11,710
to the dog as well nevermind Bob

894
00:43:17,500 --> 00:43:14,450
apparently not other than the fear

895
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:17,510
factor of that dog refusing to leave the

896
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:20,720
family home and there was another

897
00:43:26,140 --> 00:43:23,450
occasion another person saw a strange

898
00:43:28,450 --> 00:43:26,150
shadowy figure and dierckman woods of

899
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:28,460
got out in the book as well and because

900
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:32,570
we try and find as many things about the

901
00:43:36,580 --> 00:43:34,850
case as you can and it's great when

902
00:43:38,890 --> 00:43:36,590
people come forward to tell you that

903
00:43:40,570 --> 00:43:38,900
they saw this Khanna's shadowy figure in

904
00:43:44,050 --> 00:43:40,580
the woods they're not just completely

905
00:43:46,690 --> 00:43:44,060
disappeared and they were found enough

906
00:43:50,220 --> 00:43:46,700
land since writing the book that they

907
00:43:52,900 --> 00:43:50,230
have been animals dogs etc family pets

908
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:52,910
missing going missing in the dogs is

909
00:43:59,530 --> 00:43:56,330
going missing in the woods as well so it

910
00:44:01,660 --> 00:43:59,540
would appear maybe the I mean the

911
00:44:04,690 --> 00:44:01,670
certain locations on planet earth we

912
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:04,700
call them hotspots or window areas where

913
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:07,850
more stranger things have happened in

914
00:44:13,210 --> 00:44:09,170
anywhere else

915
00:44:15,730 --> 00:44:13,220
No why why why should this be do we have

916
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:15,740
some magnetic lanes and early lanes is

917
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:18,370
an area and Eggman woods it crisscrosses

918
00:44:25,450 --> 00:44:22,010
that things have a port or an opening an

919
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:25,460
opportunity to you know be seen to those

920
00:44:31,630 --> 00:44:28,850
people I do obviously extensively with a

921
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:31,640
paranormal world as well and you know

922
00:44:36,460 --> 00:44:33,890
you could have six six people in a

923
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:36,470
haunted room and only two will see a

924
00:44:41,380 --> 00:44:38,570
ghost and the other four ago well I

925
00:44:44,290 --> 00:44:41,390
can't see anything except maybe Bob was

926
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:44,300
maybe Bob's more psychically attuned for

927
00:44:50,170 --> 00:44:46,970
things to happen I mean it's all pure

928
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:50,180
speculation of my part but clearly he

929
00:44:55,390 --> 00:44:53,090
stumbled into an area which was either

930
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:55,400
meant for him or not meant for him

931
00:45:01,180 --> 00:44:58,880
either he saw a craft from another world

932
00:45:02,980 --> 00:45:01,190
or as a skeptics with Hamas believe

933
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:02,990
maybe it was a many stroke the

934
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:07,010
hallucinate it etc which with any UFO

935
00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:09,440
case we must obviously adhere to and

936
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:12,250
must recognize importance of

937
00:45:17,590 --> 00:45:15,200
hallucinations but for me meeting the

938
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:17,600
man interviewing the police seen the

939
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:20,330
marks on the ground analyzing everything

940
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:22,490
that you hear for reports leading up to

941
00:45:27,550 --> 00:45:25,610
the week of when it happened it all

942
00:45:30,670 --> 00:45:27,560
stems for me that we're dealing with

943
00:45:36,210 --> 00:45:30,680
something not of this planet for me for

944
00:45:40,810 --> 00:45:36,220
sure you had talked earlier about using

945
00:45:44,140 --> 00:45:40,820
psychometry on his pants have have you

946
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:44,150
or anybody ever attempted going back to

947
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:46,640
the location that is if the location is

948
00:45:53,140 --> 00:45:50,210
currently accessible or was at the time

949
00:45:54,940 --> 00:45:53,150
and trying something like that they're

950
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:54,950
taking it in a real bringing or psychic

951
00:45:59,050 --> 00:45:56,570
you know with you just to see what kind

952
00:46:02,740 --> 00:45:59,060
of impressions that they would get from

953
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:02,750
the site well we have we have done sky

954
00:46:09,940 --> 00:46:05,890
watches an area on the anniversary of

955
00:46:12,970 --> 00:46:09,950
the event and but nothing much was seen

956
00:46:16,750 --> 00:46:12,980
but a story I can tell you Tim was by

957
00:46:19,090 --> 00:46:16,760
in 1983 we commemorated this landing for

958
00:46:23,220 --> 00:46:19,100
one of a bear works by the placement of

959
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:23,230
a stone Kirin with a metal plaque and

960
00:46:28,990 --> 00:46:25,609
twelfths we were there with members of

961
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:29,000
the Scottish press a psychic that we use

962
00:46:36,220 --> 00:46:32,960
extensively on haunted buildings she was

963
00:46:39,130 --> 00:46:36,230
standing facing the woods and a walked

964
00:46:43,230 --> 00:46:39,140
up Jenna says Helen Helen yes

965
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:43,240
you okay and don't you see the Malcolm

966
00:46:45,820 --> 00:46:45,440
Helen I don't know what you're looking

967
00:46:50,740 --> 00:46:45,830
at

968
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:50,750
looked into the woods and I couldn't see

969
00:46:57,370 --> 00:46:54,650
anything guys but she said she saw a red

970
00:46:59,800 --> 00:46:57,380
ball a big red ball about the size of a

971
00:47:03,280 --> 00:46:59,810
basketball weaving in and out of the

972
00:47:06,910 --> 00:47:03,290
trees and then she said it she saw this

973
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:06,920
grey alien face a classic alien face at

974
00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:09,770
least Reba initially commented on his

975
00:47:16,750 --> 00:47:13,280
own case studies in the trees

976
00:47:19,780 --> 00:47:16,760
no admittedly I couldn't see that but

977
00:47:22,450 --> 00:47:19,790
I'll tell you what I would you know take

978
00:47:25,390 --> 00:47:22,460
that women for my life honestly God if

979
00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:25,400
she said she saw that a hundred percent

980
00:47:30,099 --> 00:47:27,710
believed she saw that she's a wonderful

981
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:30,109
wonderful psychic she's provided a

982
00:47:36,310 --> 00:47:32,960
society fantastic evidence of life after

983
00:47:39,010 --> 00:47:36,320
death and paranormal events I just where

984
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:39,020
I just wish that I could have saw what

985
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:42,410
she had seen but maybe my psychic radio

986
00:47:48,370 --> 00:47:45,050
if you like it's not that perceptive to

987
00:47:51,550 --> 00:47:48,380
really see a frequency that she can see

988
00:47:54,130 --> 00:47:51,560
no again it's a nursery story do be

989
00:47:56,740 --> 00:47:54,140
treated as honest to be treated as value

990
00:47:59,650 --> 00:47:56,750
I think we should do because I believe

991
00:48:02,230 --> 00:47:59,660
in what she saw yeah all right well

992
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:02,240
we're gonna have to go to our top of the

993
00:48:05,830 --> 00:48:03,920
hour break here so when we come back

994
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:05,840
we'll continue our conversation with

995
00:48:14,530 --> 00:48:08,450
Malcolm Robinson on exploring the

996
00:48:14,540 --> 00:48:18,410
[Music]

997
00:48:25,370 --> 00:48:22,890
explode the bazaars or e-ticket ride

998
00:48:28,650 --> 00:48:25,380
into the world of the paranormal

999
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:28,660
strap yourself in as we traverse the

1000
00:48:37,050 --> 00:48:31,680
universe exploring the unexplained UFO

1001
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:37,060
of ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology

1002
00:48:46,050 --> 00:48:40,810
waters as well as other dimensions it's

1003
00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:46,060
time to take back the night now your

1004
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:48,310
electrifying hosts of exploring the

1005
00:48:59,700 --> 00:48:57,480
all right back to exploring the bizarre

1006
00:49:04,440 --> 00:48:59,710
on Tim Schwarz tonight we're talking

1007
00:49:06,660 --> 00:49:04,450
with Malcolm Robinson and during the

1008
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:06,670
during the break Malcolm we got a

1009
00:49:14,190 --> 00:49:10,930
question wanting to know if mr. Taylor

1010
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:14,200
had if anybody an attempted hypnotic

1011
00:49:20,570 --> 00:49:16,720
regression you know on him after the

1012
00:49:22,740 --> 00:49:20,580
case yes fully enough the the well

1013
00:49:25,730 --> 00:49:22,750
unfortunately I see unfortunately

1014
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:25,740
because it was a staged hypnotherapist

1015
00:49:30,900 --> 00:49:28,810
which haben said Dom in the the guy

1016
00:49:33,810 --> 00:49:30,910
seven years trade the no denying I

1017
00:49:37,530 --> 00:49:33,820
clearly was very gifted at what he did

1018
00:49:40,290 --> 00:49:37,540
and this was not conducted by SPI your

1019
00:49:42,570 --> 00:49:40,300
society this was done by the molester

1020
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:42,580
family and it was a gentleman by the

1021
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:45,520
name of Robert Haugen it was a very very

1022
00:49:54,210 --> 00:49:49,210
famous hypnotherapist our stage know

1023
00:49:56,310 --> 00:49:54,220
society during the early 80s and so the

1024
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:56,320
story goes that he was taken up to

1025
00:50:02,630 --> 00:49:59,680
Edinburgh and it was regressed back to

1026
00:50:05,550 --> 00:50:02,640
that morning of November the 9th 1979

1027
00:50:08,370 --> 00:50:05,560
and he told the story just as @oj

1028
00:50:10,770 --> 00:50:08,380
Tatopoulos show we were hoping that

1029
00:50:12,660 --> 00:50:10,780
maybe something else perhaps maybe

1030
00:50:16,350 --> 00:50:12,670
something else may have came out of the

1031
00:50:18,420 --> 00:50:16,360
hypnosis but sadly nothing else came out

1032
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:18,430
it was like he had hit a brick wall

1033
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:22,090
there was a dark expanse where he just

1034
00:50:26,550 --> 00:50:23,650
couldn't go any further

1035
00:50:29,010 --> 00:50:26,560
it was like he wanted to like he wanted

1036
00:50:31,180 --> 00:50:29,020
to say more but something was shutting

1037
00:50:34,420 --> 00:50:31,190
him down and

1038
00:50:37,089 --> 00:50:34,430
we never really tried gnosis after that

1039
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:37,099
maybe we should've because again

1040
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:41,210
hypnosis is a tool that any ufologist

1041
00:50:45,849 --> 00:50:43,760
should use on a case no yes it does have

1042
00:50:49,180 --> 00:50:45,859
its pitfalls you can lie under hypnosis

1043
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:49,190
you can please a hypnotherapist and but

1044
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:51,440
having said that it's like a workman

1045
00:50:57,250 --> 00:50:54,319
going on to a building site that workmen

1046
00:51:00,510 --> 00:50:57,260
will carry as many tools as he can to

1047
00:51:03,370 --> 00:51:00,520
get the job done so hypnosis of use

1048
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:03,380
properly and professionally can perhaps

1049
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:07,250
unlock the subconscious mind to let

1050
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:10,970
these hidden memories from below I mean

1051
00:51:15,849 --> 00:51:12,800
we use that gnosis on another famous

1052
00:51:19,089 --> 00:51:15,859
Scottish case and that proved very very

1053
00:51:22,300 --> 00:51:19,099
interesting but so sadly yeah the the

1054
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:22,310
chancel your question only recalled the

1055
00:51:28,650 --> 00:51:24,410
conscious recall of what happened that

1056
00:51:31,690 --> 00:51:28,660
morning well and I know that using

1057
00:51:33,940 --> 00:51:31,700
hypnosis to try to gain additional

1058
00:51:37,359 --> 00:51:33,950
memories you know from a subject is

1059
00:51:39,849 --> 00:51:37,369
extremely controversial especially if

1060
00:51:43,089 --> 00:51:39,859
you have a hypnotist who it was

1061
00:51:46,510 --> 00:51:43,099
obviously trained to to lead their

1062
00:51:50,020 --> 00:51:46,520
subject but but possibly you know in in

1063
00:51:54,819 --> 00:51:50,030
this case there there wasn't anything he

1064
00:51:57,790 --> 00:51:54,829
blacked out and that that was it yeah I

1065
00:51:59,890 --> 00:51:57,800
always wish that before Robert passed

1066
00:52:02,859 --> 00:51:59,900
away it is spirit that we had have had

1067
00:52:05,260 --> 00:52:02,869
another chance to professionally regress

1068
00:52:08,020 --> 00:52:05,270
him but then the skeptics would quite

1069
00:52:10,210 --> 00:52:08,030
rightly say bit Malcolm come on no he's

1070
00:52:11,859 --> 00:52:10,220
learned a lot since that events he's

1071
00:52:14,500 --> 00:52:11,869
learned a lot about yeah or is he

1072
00:52:17,290 --> 00:52:14,510
straight to find out and maybe that Jay

1073
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:17,300
coloureds if we did try hypnosis I'm

1074
00:52:21,579 --> 00:52:19,280
saying maybe that would cover any

1075
00:52:23,309 --> 00:52:21,589
secondary have not been regression

1076
00:52:26,620 --> 00:52:23,319
because you would just be coming up with

1077
00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:26,630
memories and people talking to make etc

1078
00:52:31,870 --> 00:52:28,640
so that would negate that would negate

1079
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:31,880
any potential recall if there were any

1080
00:52:40,329 --> 00:52:37,010
yet mmm-hmm now how about okay this

1081
00:52:42,430 --> 00:52:40,339
obviously was the the the most

1082
00:52:44,550 --> 00:52:42,440
outstanding case that you investigated

1083
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:44,560
and the one was a fish

1084
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:47,890
we looked into by the authorities what

1085
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:51,610
are a couple of other cases that you

1086
00:52:56,610 --> 00:52:52,930
were involved in that there are

1087
00:52:58,560 --> 00:52:56,620
outstanding in your way of thinking well

1088
00:53:01,770 --> 00:52:58,570
clearly one of the biggest ones I've

1089
00:53:03,870 --> 00:53:01,780
mentioned this before another shows but

1090
00:53:05,790 --> 00:53:03,880
one of the the biggest year for

1091
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:05,800
abduction cases the occurrence

1092
00:53:13,110 --> 00:53:09,520
Coughlin's occurred in 1992 as known as

1093
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:13,120
the e70 abduction and it happened to two

1094
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:16,090
men who were driving from Edinburgh the

1095
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:18,640
built-up city of Edinburgh in their car

1096
00:53:24,990 --> 00:53:22,450
and we're going to drive late at night

1097
00:53:27,050 --> 00:53:25,000
well about half-past ten and evening to

1098
00:53:30,450 --> 00:53:27,060
see a friend in a small village called

1099
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:30,460
blacks now they left two built-up city

1100
00:53:34,770 --> 00:53:32,170
of Edinburgh all the big buildings etc

1101
00:53:38,850 --> 00:53:34,780
then roads took them out into

1102
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:38,860
countryside very very desolate barren

1103
00:53:43,740 --> 00:53:41,530
countryside a little cottage here little

1104
00:53:46,050 --> 00:53:43,750
cottage there and that's about driving

1105
00:53:49,770 --> 00:53:46,060
down this this B Road wasn't a major

1106
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:49,780
roads they suddenly saw a two-tiered

1107
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:53,200
disc-shaped object hovering about 20

1108
00:53:57,780 --> 00:53:54,970
feet above the surface of the roads and

1109
00:54:01,980 --> 00:53:57,790
just like mr. Taylor in the Deckman case

1110
00:54:04,020 --> 00:54:01,990
these two men went whoa whoa this is not

1111
00:54:07,740 --> 00:54:04,030
an ear child no no this is not a

1112
00:54:11,070 --> 00:54:07,750
helicopter what is going on here no

1113
00:54:14,060 --> 00:54:11,080
rather than stop the car and go back no

1114
00:54:18,060 --> 00:54:14,070
no no let's keep going and as the car

1115
00:54:21,630 --> 00:54:18,070
their car was directly underneath this

1116
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:21,640
hovering object this object emitted like

1117
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:24,880
a silver shimmering curtain of mist like

1118
00:54:29,610 --> 00:54:27,040
heavy silver snowflakes

1119
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:29,620
just descended from beneath this object

1120
00:54:35,610 --> 00:54:33,280
and hit the car and as soon as that

1121
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:35,620
effect hit the car both men were

1122
00:54:42,270 --> 00:54:40,000
catapulted into inky and total blackness

1123
00:54:43,770 --> 00:54:42,280
the couldn't see the hand in front of

1124
00:54:45,540 --> 00:54:43,780
the face they couldn't see the dashboard

1125
00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:45,550
of the car they couldn't see each other

1126
00:54:50,130 --> 00:54:47,250
my god where are we

1127
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:50,140
seconds later or what appeared to them

1128
00:54:55,260 --> 00:54:52,480
at least to be seconds later the

1129
00:54:56,850 --> 00:54:55,270
Regained of sight the car was shuddering

1130
00:54:57,490 --> 00:54:56,860
very violently on the road

1131
00:55:11,320 --> 00:54:57,500
the

1132
00:55:14,260 --> 00:55:11,330
you been

1133
00:55:17,860 --> 00:55:14,270
you don't know haffley know her Germany

1134
00:55:20,890 --> 00:55:17,870
guys should only have taken about 35

1135
00:55:22,690 --> 00:55:20,900
minutes and unknown a half later they

1136
00:55:25,330 --> 00:55:22,700
proceeded to tell the occupants of the

1137
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:25,340
house of it was crazy disc-shaped object

1138
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:27,770
hovering above the roads know that may

1139
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:31,690
and subsequent mates thereafter they had

1140
00:55:38,140 --> 00:55:35,690
strange dreams of this a grey aliens

1141
00:55:41,530 --> 00:55:38,150
face coming into the dream world they

1142
00:55:44,590 --> 00:55:41,540
then found scars on the body scars

1143
00:55:46,270 --> 00:55:44,600
previously were never not there we all

1144
00:55:48,370 --> 00:55:46,280
know what bodies we go in the shower in

1145
00:55:50,530 --> 00:55:48,380
old bodies and suddenly there were these

1146
00:55:56,110 --> 00:55:50,540
scooped like marks scars coming on their

1147
00:55:59,530 --> 00:55:56,120
body so Gary Gary wood decided he went

1148
00:56:02,170 --> 00:55:59,540
what the hell is this this can't be one

1149
00:56:04,780 --> 00:56:02,180
of those stupid Jeff wall stories foot

1150
00:56:06,700 --> 00:56:04,790
affairs but wait Lea gorgeo going to

1151
00:56:09,610 --> 00:56:06,710
police don't go at the dock who do I

1152
00:56:11,830 --> 00:56:09,620
turn to so he went into the local

1153
00:56:14,410 --> 00:56:11,840
library and picked out a book about year

1154
00:56:17,710 --> 00:56:14,420
fours by the famous British author s and

1155
00:56:20,620 --> 00:56:17,720
Jenny Randall's and my contact details

1156
00:56:23,350 --> 00:56:20,630
were in the back of the book so cut a

1157
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:23,360
long story short the contacted me by

1158
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:26,240
telephone and vated both men to my home

1159
00:56:31,210 --> 00:56:28,730
and Allah WA which is a small village

1160
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:31,220
near Stirling in Central Scotland and

1161
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:33,770
they proceeded to tell me this bizarre

1162
00:56:39,550 --> 00:56:37,010
tale now at that time I really did

1163
00:56:41,380 --> 00:56:39,560
advocate the use of hypnotic regression

1164
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:41,390
as I said earlier as a tool to maybe

1165
00:56:47,650 --> 00:56:44,810
unlock the mains and I says guys would

1166
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:47,660
you be happy to go under hypnotic

1167
00:56:52,180 --> 00:56:49,810
regression and just to see if perhaps

1168
00:56:55,630 --> 00:56:52,190
something else happened

1169
00:56:57,610 --> 00:56:55,640
Oh Malcolm will try anything we really

1170
00:57:00,190 --> 00:56:57,620
need to know what's going on because

1171
00:57:02,050 --> 00:57:00,200
even our wives don't believe us your

1172
00:57:03,940 --> 00:57:02,060
workmates don't believe us Malcolm will

1173
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:03,950
try anything to find out

1174
00:57:11,130 --> 00:57:07,760
so we used a qualified hypnotherapist

1175
00:57:15,249 --> 00:57:11,140
we gingerly took them back in the

1176
00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:15,259
to that August evening in 1992 and a

1177
00:57:22,749 --> 00:57:19,609
typical abduction scenario unfolded very

1178
00:57:25,299 --> 00:57:22,759
briefly as the silver shimmering effects

1179
00:57:29,079 --> 00:57:25,309
hit the car they claimed under hypnosis

1180
00:57:31,870 --> 00:57:29,089
only that they were taken of the car by

1181
00:57:33,729 --> 00:57:31,880
these small grey beings and you've had

1182
00:57:34,419 --> 00:57:33,739
many guests on your show in previous

1183
00:57:37,569 --> 00:57:34,429
years

1184
00:57:39,509 --> 00:57:37,579
just the very same small green creatures

1185
00:57:42,729 --> 00:57:39,519
three and a half to four feet tall

1186
00:57:45,309 --> 00:57:42,739
spindly childlike bodies gray blue

1187
00:57:47,829 --> 00:57:45,319
translucent skin black inky

1188
00:57:50,259 --> 00:57:47,839
almond-shaped eyes and were taken on

1189
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:50,269
boards presumably this crafted yet sawed

1190
00:57:57,269 --> 00:57:54,410
and stripped naked and subjected to some

1191
00:58:00,370 --> 00:57:57,279
form of clinical or medical procedure

1192
00:58:04,809 --> 00:58:00,380
gary found himself on a flat raised bed

1193
00:58:08,259 --> 00:58:04,819
and he couldn't move a muscle he could

1194
00:58:10,359 --> 00:58:08,269
only move his eyes he was terrified he

1195
00:58:12,429 --> 00:58:10,369
desperately wanted to punch with these

1196
00:58:14,979 --> 00:58:12,439
little gray guys it was a side of this

1197
00:58:17,559 --> 00:58:14,989
bad thing this platform but he couldn't

1198
00:58:19,630 --> 00:58:17,569
and he said there was a device that was

1199
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:19,640
free-floating at the top of the room

1200
00:58:25,739 --> 00:58:22,880
like a black oval shape and he was

1201
00:58:29,769 --> 00:58:25,749
fascinated by this then I like a can

1202
00:58:32,140 --> 00:58:29,779
shaped device rose up from the floor

1203
00:58:37,359 --> 00:58:32,150
towards his head and started spinning

1204
00:58:39,819 --> 00:58:37,369
around and Colin found himself in this

1205
00:58:42,099 --> 00:58:39,829
other strange chair he saw these small

1206
00:58:44,019 --> 00:58:42,109
grey creatures there were other

1207
00:58:47,589 --> 00:58:44,029
creatures call him what you will you

1208
00:58:51,069 --> 00:58:47,599
know on board this craft and as I said

1209
00:58:53,439 --> 00:58:51,079
Gary's wife did not believe him until

1210
00:58:56,349 --> 00:58:53,449
one night I took a phone call in my

1211
00:58:59,549 --> 00:58:56,359
family home and it was Gary's wife and

1212
00:59:04,120 --> 00:58:59,559
she says Malcolm can I apologize to you

1213
00:59:06,309 --> 00:59:04,130
says why she says well you know you know

1214
00:59:09,370 --> 00:59:06,319
I think my husband's off his head I

1215
00:59:11,709 --> 00:59:09,380
don't believe this story but well last

1216
00:59:14,919 --> 00:59:11,719
night Malcolm I was lying in my bed next

1217
00:59:17,169 --> 00:59:14,929
to Gary Gary was sleeping I had just

1218
00:59:19,169 --> 00:59:17,179
finished reading the book close the book

1219
00:59:22,579 --> 00:59:19,179
but the book on the bedside table

1220
00:59:26,269 --> 00:59:22,589
switched the lay off and in suddenly

1221
00:59:29,150 --> 00:59:26,279
my legs were built pulled very very

1222
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:29,160
forcibly down the bed my head was not on

1223
00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:30,569
the pillow anymore and my head's in the

1224
00:59:36,650 --> 00:59:33,119
middle of the bed and I looked at the

1225
00:59:40,249 --> 00:59:36,660
foot of the bed and I saw two or three

1226
00:59:42,259 --> 00:59:40,259
small gray creatures holding me by the

1227
00:59:44,749 --> 00:59:42,269
ankles and then they realized they could

1228
00:59:48,499 --> 00:59:44,759
see them and they just left my ankles

1229
00:59:52,370 --> 00:59:48,509
and they just slowly melted through the

1230
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:52,380
wall and she says mom I'm so sorry I'm

1231
01:00:00,769 --> 00:59:55,170
not believing you you know that's a

1232
01:00:04,759 --> 01:00:00,779
typical abduction scenario any cases

1233
01:00:06,859 --> 01:00:04,769
involving Nordic looking aliens

1234
01:00:09,709 --> 01:00:06,869
human-looking they're beings you know

1235
01:00:13,489 --> 01:00:09,719
more what would you say contact the

1236
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:13,499
oriented cases well surprisingly I mean

1237
01:00:18,769 --> 01:00:16,650
in all my years since 1979 I mean I've

1238
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:18,779
been interested before that as a teen as

1239
01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:21,690
a youngster I've never encountered in

1240
01:00:27,140 --> 01:00:24,569
all my years and Scotland and now in

1241
01:00:30,410 --> 01:00:27,150
England I live in England no of the

1242
01:00:32,719 --> 01:00:30,420
Nordics you know or anything like that

1243
01:00:34,910 --> 01:00:32,729
always been people who have seen these

1244
01:00:38,329 --> 01:00:34,920
small gray creatures and it really

1245
01:00:40,339 --> 01:00:38,339
annoys me guys because why why why are

1246
01:00:41,319 --> 01:00:40,349
they doing abductions that's a big

1247
01:00:43,999 --> 01:00:41,329
question

1248
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:44,009
ufologists the world answer the world

1249
01:00:49,609 --> 01:00:46,890
over wants answered is it to be popular

1250
01:00:52,609 --> 01:00:49,619
a dying planet by taking sperm and OVA

1251
01:00:55,190 --> 01:00:52,619
from males and females and why why

1252
01:00:57,589 --> 01:00:55,200
because I've been doing it for over 50

1253
01:01:00,079 --> 01:00:57,599
years one would imagine that they have

1254
01:01:02,930 --> 01:01:00,089
enough samples to do that as if they're

1255
01:01:05,779 --> 01:01:02,940
trying to look into your soul it's all

1256
01:01:10,749 --> 01:01:05,789
speculation I dare say people have their

1257
01:01:14,420 --> 01:01:10,759
own answers to that yeah how about any

1258
01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:14,430
incidences of UFOs that supposedly

1259
01:01:24,039 --> 01:01:19,920
crashed crushed a good question and

1260
01:01:28,370 --> 01:01:24,049
nothing major in Scotland first year and

1261
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:28,380
Norbu and you know and even the Deckman

1262
01:01:33,529 --> 01:01:30,210
woods one technically wasn't a crash

1263
01:01:35,509 --> 01:01:33,539
because it was free outing and this guy

1264
01:01:35,990 --> 01:01:35,519
I mean another strange thing about the

1265
01:01:38,630 --> 01:01:36,000
area

1266
01:01:43,490 --> 01:01:38,640
question and Eggman as some of the trees

1267
01:01:46,970 --> 01:01:43,500
bend to the bent towards left no either

1268
01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:46,980
that is just subsidence in the soil or

1269
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:49,200
maybe the wind is pushed these trees

1270
01:01:54,620 --> 01:01:51,690
over or some people miss speculate as

1271
01:01:56,780 --> 01:01:54,630
something else as well and we talked

1272
01:01:59,560 --> 01:01:56,790
earlier about are there anything similar

1273
01:02:02,270 --> 01:01:59,570
to what Bob saw there was a famous case

1274
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:02,280
in Poland a sadani

1275
01:02:08,420 --> 01:02:05,250
where which is mentioned in my book of a

1276
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:08,430
similar object to what Robert Taylor saw

1277
01:02:13,820 --> 01:02:11,610
all there was a bright shiny silver

1278
01:02:16,070 --> 01:02:13,830
objects in in a above a farmer's field

1279
01:02:18,890 --> 01:02:16,080
with the flange going around about it

1280
01:02:21,860 --> 01:02:18,900
but again not with the cross lake

1281
01:02:24,910 --> 01:02:21,870
projections that Robert Taylor saw on

1282
01:02:28,340 --> 01:02:24,920
his object coming up from the flange and

1283
01:02:31,100 --> 01:02:28,350
so that was quite interesting and that

1284
01:02:35,300 --> 01:02:31,110
Robert Taylor said that the object he

1285
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:35,310
saw was a dark hue texture like a varied

1286
01:02:43,390 --> 01:02:38,010
architecture which whereas the sadani

1287
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:43,400
one was more like silver aluminium yes

1288
01:02:50,810 --> 01:02:48,330
well I think that while in the remaining

1289
01:02:53,900 --> 01:02:50,820
time of the program here Malcolm I'd

1290
01:02:55,670 --> 01:02:53,910
like to bring up one of your other books

1291
01:02:57,140 --> 01:02:55,680
because this is a subject of both Tim

1292
01:02:59,720 --> 01:02:57,150
Beck Lee and myself have been fascinated

1293
01:03:03,830 --> 01:02:59,730
about it and that's the the Loch Ness

1294
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:03,840
monster now in the talking points that

1295
01:03:10,730 --> 01:03:06,930
you sent us you said that at one point

1296
01:03:14,660 --> 01:03:10,740
you were able to take a submarine down

1297
01:03:17,870 --> 01:03:14,670
to 400 foot depth into the lock now how

1298
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:17,880
did you manage to get yourself into that

1299
01:03:24,410 --> 01:03:20,850
kind of situation well it was a

1300
01:03:26,780 --> 01:03:24,420
wonderful situation for sure I'll never

1301
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:26,790
never forget as x-two very firmly in my

1302
01:03:32,090 --> 01:03:29,280
mind I'll be honest with you it was

1303
01:03:34,130 --> 01:03:32,100
nothing to do with their society they

1304
01:03:36,770 --> 01:03:34,140
were there was a submarine at Loch Ness

1305
01:03:39,620 --> 01:03:36,780
doing some studies of the Loch floor

1306
01:03:41,810 --> 01:03:39,630
where they had this atom that would go

1307
01:03:44,210 --> 01:03:41,820
right into the Loch floor and pull up

1308
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:44,220
samples of the Loch floor to find out

1309
01:03:49,700 --> 01:03:46,890
about ecology about you know the

1310
01:03:52,220 --> 01:03:49,710
thousands of years

1311
01:03:54,260 --> 01:03:52,230
Loch Ness has been there so they were

1312
01:03:57,250 --> 01:03:54,270
offering members of the public for a

1313
01:03:59,840 --> 01:03:57,260
small period of time about a week or so

1314
01:04:04,390 --> 01:03:59,850
the opportunity to go down in a

1315
01:04:07,100 --> 01:04:04,400
submarine 468 pounds 50 British money

1316
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:07,110
for whatever and they signed

1317
01:04:12,230 --> 01:04:10,410
I obviously jumped at the chance and the

1318
01:04:14,810 --> 01:04:12,240
submarine was sponsored by Swatch

1319
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:14,820
watches it was a red and white submarine

1320
01:04:21,380 --> 01:04:18,690
not yellow and it was 35 feet in length

1321
01:04:23,330 --> 01:04:21,390
if you suffered from claustrophobia

1322
01:04:26,180 --> 01:04:23,340
by God you wouldn't like it I'll tell

1323
01:04:28,190 --> 01:04:26,190
you that and there was a front portal

1324
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:28,200
and the front nose of the submarine

1325
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:31,170
toughened glass and about about seven or

1326
01:04:36,590 --> 01:04:34,050
eight halogen lights on top of that port

1327
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:36,600
oh there was a port oh and the bottom of

1328
01:04:41,540 --> 01:04:38,880
the submarine and it was very very

1329
01:04:45,890 --> 01:04:41,550
cramped all the instrumentation etc and

1330
01:04:48,290 --> 01:04:45,900
the skipper gave us some some talk on

1331
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:48,300
the safety aspects should anything

1332
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:51,090
happen and then we just career dough

1333
01:04:57,830 --> 01:04:54,330
from Joe Majorca that's part of as a

1334
01:05:00,140 --> 01:04:57,840
small village in Loch Ness 8 s where the

1335
01:05:02,900 --> 01:05:00,150
Loch Ness Exhibition Centre is housed in

1336
01:05:05,420 --> 01:05:02,910
a hotel I've been there in fact they're

1337
01:05:09,170 --> 01:05:05,430
right on my right on my wall here I have

1338
01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:09,180
a souvenir dinosaur hanging up from the

1339
01:05:18,110 --> 01:05:12,000
from a string then I got there many many

1340
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:18,120
many many years now how did how did

1341
01:05:25,550 --> 01:05:20,570
Steven Spielberg get involved in this

1342
01:05:28,090 --> 01:05:25,560
well at that time I was had an idea who

1343
01:05:31,340 --> 01:05:28,100
could capture the Loch Ness monster and

1344
01:05:34,130 --> 01:05:31,350
that tamed Ted Danson the actor was

1345
01:05:36,050 --> 01:05:34,140
doing a movie in Loch Ness and I heard a

1346
01:05:38,390 --> 01:05:36,060
phone call from a Scottish journalist

1347
01:05:39,770 --> 01:05:38,400
this is Malcolm Ted Danson's doing a

1348
01:05:42,830 --> 01:05:39,780
movie about Loch Ness I mean

1349
01:05:45,380 --> 01:05:42,840
hypothetically Malcolm would you had an

1350
01:05:47,150 --> 01:05:45,390
idea so you could capture Nessie and I

1351
01:05:48,710 --> 01:05:47,160
went well you know what the funny you

1352
01:05:51,290 --> 01:05:48,720
should say that yeah I'm working on

1353
01:05:54,710 --> 01:05:51,300
something right now oh what's that

1354
01:05:58,010 --> 01:05:54,720
so if I can ask you and your listeners

1355
01:06:00,590 --> 01:05:58,020
to imagine a boxing ring just a normal

1356
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boxing ring but on only on a bigger

1357
01:06:06,470 --> 01:06:03,660
skill that boxing ring would be secure

1358
01:06:10,430 --> 01:06:06,480
at the floor of Loch Ness near our core

1359
01:06:13,849 --> 01:06:10,440
castle and the bay now on those boxing

1360
01:06:18,230 --> 01:06:13,859
ring drops would be spherical balls with

1361
01:06:20,660 --> 01:06:18,240
video biopsy darts and say this boxing

1362
01:06:23,029 --> 01:06:20,670
ring would be a device which would be

1363
01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:23,039
continually turning out a kind of fish

1364
01:06:29,599 --> 01:06:26,160
beauty or an attractant to any big

1365
01:06:32,839 --> 01:06:29,609
creature in the vicinity so when any

1366
01:06:34,609 --> 01:06:32,849
creature ie Nessie move towards this

1367
01:06:37,430 --> 01:06:34,619
area because it can smell a

1368
01:06:39,890 --> 01:06:37,440
contagiousness the secretion of this

1369
01:06:43,279 --> 01:06:39,900
fish pure Eve continually been turned

1370
01:06:45,460 --> 01:06:43,289
out as it pushed as it pushed against

1371
01:06:48,500 --> 01:06:45,470
the boxing ring ropes if you like

1372
01:06:51,529 --> 01:06:48,510
suddenly these spherical balls at the

1373
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:51,539
radio biopsy darts would ping out just

1374
01:06:55,370 --> 01:06:52,890
like you had a grenade and you're

1375
01:06:57,770 --> 01:06:55,380
pulling the pen bang bang bang they

1376
01:06:59,779 --> 01:06:57,780
would grunt to the creatures body not

1377
01:07:02,870 --> 01:06:59,789
killing it but rendering it

1378
01:07:05,779 --> 01:07:02,880
unconsciousness unconscious at that

1379
01:07:08,329 --> 01:07:05,789
point as the rings the boxing rings got

1380
01:07:10,940 --> 01:07:08,339
pushed lace would go up to the surface

1381
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:10,950
boss to let the diverse know that

1382
01:07:16,519 --> 01:07:14,010
something had triggered these rocks the

1383
01:07:19,940 --> 01:07:16,529
divers would then go down and track it

1384
01:07:20,930 --> 01:07:19,950
and capture and he went wow that's a

1385
01:07:24,019 --> 01:07:20,940
great idea

1386
01:07:26,599 --> 01:07:24,029
no he went away I got a phone call a few

1387
01:07:28,099 --> 01:07:26,609
days later this is Malcolm you're never

1388
01:07:29,990 --> 01:07:28,109
going to believe who's interested in

1389
01:07:32,870 --> 01:07:30,000
your trap and who wants to put money

1390
01:07:36,260 --> 01:07:32,880
into your trap to make it happen I went

1391
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:36,270
who read Steven Spielberg I went you're

1392
01:07:41,210 --> 01:07:38,970
joking and he says no we've been on the

1393
01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:41,220
phone German he's very very keen to to

1394
01:07:47,150 --> 01:07:43,609
put money up and and make this happen so

1395
01:07:50,390 --> 01:07:47,160
sadly as things happen in life Steven

1396
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:50,400
Spielberg went on to do other movies the

1397
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:51,930
plan fell flat

1398
01:08:00,380 --> 01:07:56,130
I do believe guys that this idea of main

1399
01:08:03,140 --> 01:08:00,390
is still a viable aspect to capture

1400
01:08:04,970 --> 01:08:03,150
Nessie because I do believe there's more

1401
01:08:09,140 --> 01:08:04,980
than one creature in Loch Ness that

1402
01:08:13,309 --> 01:08:09,150
would need to be um sauna sauna is by

1403
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:13,319
far the best evidence we have to say

1404
01:08:17,570 --> 01:08:15,690
that there's objects in Loch Ness an

1405
01:08:20,990 --> 01:08:17,580
excess of 30 feet

1406
01:08:23,150 --> 01:08:21,000
back in 1987 in operation deep scan

1407
01:08:25,790 --> 01:08:23,160
there was a flotilla of boss with a most

1408
01:08:28,910 --> 01:08:25,800
sophisticated sonar on the planet at

1409
01:08:31,700 --> 01:08:28,920
that time and it's reversed and swept up

1410
01:08:33,290 --> 01:08:31,710
and down Loch Ness several times a day

1411
01:08:34,670 --> 01:08:33,300
and then one on one of these occasions

1412
01:08:38,060 --> 01:08:34,680
Wow

1413
01:08:38,930 --> 01:08:38,070
they managed to get a massive blip on

1414
01:08:42,140 --> 01:08:38,940
the SONA

1415
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:42,150
which they knew wasn't an anomalous blip

1416
01:08:47,300 --> 01:08:44,970
from sate scan it wasn't a grouped shoal

1417
01:08:50,210 --> 01:08:47,310
of fish it was something real something

1418
01:08:52,850 --> 01:08:50,220
tangible something animate and the tund

1419
01:08:54,950 --> 01:08:52,860
abort drones but by then the object had

1420
01:08:58,370 --> 01:08:54,960
dived into the depths of Loch Ness and

1421
01:09:00,980 --> 01:08:58,380
disappeared so most of the eyewitness

1422
01:09:02,810 --> 01:09:00,990
testimony at Loch Ness can be discounted

1423
01:09:06,050 --> 01:09:02,820
more so from tourists you are there for

1424
01:09:08,420 --> 01:09:06,060
five minutes and because you get many

1425
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:08,430
books traversing the Loch going one way

1426
01:09:15,020 --> 01:09:11,730
north one way south and they create the

1427
01:09:19,670 --> 01:09:15,030
standing wave as the two books push the

1428
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:19,680
water on both ways this the water moves

1429
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:21,690
into the center of the log creating

1430
01:09:27,620 --> 01:09:24,690
these humps and from a distance it looks

1431
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:27,630
very intriguing look at the humps of a

1432
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:30,210
monster but it's just a standing wave

1433
01:09:36,020 --> 01:09:33,090
but by that we still have some very good

1434
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:36,030
eye witness testimony I've spoken to

1435
01:09:43,580 --> 01:09:39,810
father Gregory brucy a Benedictine monk

1436
01:09:47,030 --> 01:09:43,590
at the southern end of Loch Ness who saw

1437
01:09:49,460 --> 01:09:47,040
Nessie in 1971 he had a friend up from

1438
01:09:51,620 --> 01:09:49,470
Westminster Cathedral and they were

1439
01:09:55,070 --> 01:09:51,630
looking at the lock the lock was like a

1440
01:09:58,520 --> 01:09:55,080
sheet of glass not at Apple and then

1441
01:10:01,130 --> 01:09:58,530
suddenly buying this long taping neck

1442
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:01,140
with a small head thrust up from beneath

1443
01:10:08,180 --> 01:10:04,890
the depths of Loch Ness very agitated

1444
01:10:10,700 --> 01:10:08,190
and just plunged back into Loch Ness now

1445
01:10:13,790 --> 01:10:10,710
here was a man of the cloth telling me

1446
01:10:15,440 --> 01:10:13,800
this no that's not to say that men of

1447
01:10:18,110 --> 01:10:15,450
the cloth don't lie what politicians

1448
01:10:20,900 --> 01:10:18,120
don't lie we know that but honestly that

1449
01:10:22,850 --> 01:10:20,910
was a fantastic witness I've interviewed

1450
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:22,860
Alex Campbell with a former water

1451
01:10:27,770 --> 01:10:25,290
bailiff of Loch Ness he was the first

1452
01:10:31,100 --> 01:10:27,780
man to report Nessie and Inverness

1453
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:31,110
courier back in 1934 so the

1454
01:10:36,500 --> 01:10:33,449
bottom line for me as yes there clearly

1455
01:10:39,470 --> 01:10:36,510
is something very real very tangible in

1456
01:10:42,979 --> 01:10:39,480
Lock this simulation playing the same

1457
01:10:44,510 --> 01:10:42,989
way Pogo and Canada and it's a

1458
01:10:46,910 --> 01:10:44,520
fascination for me as well

1459
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:46,920
all right well gentlemen unfortunately

1460
01:10:52,220 --> 01:10:49,530
we are rapidly drawing to the end of

1461
01:10:54,979 --> 01:10:52,230
tonight's program so Malcolm I'd like to

1462
01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:54,989
let you have it give you a chance to let

1463
01:10:59,120 --> 01:10:57,330
our listeners know where they can find

1464
01:11:03,169 --> 01:10:59,130
you online and where they can purchase

1465
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:03,179
your books yeah having a web site as

1466
01:11:07,729 --> 01:11:05,250
such but if you go to Facebook and

1467
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:07,739
you'll find me on Facebook Malcolm

1468
01:11:15,399 --> 01:11:11,090
Robinson and my books are available on

1469
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:15,409
Amazon and they're also lulu as well and

1470
01:11:20,660 --> 01:11:18,330
yeah they're the paranormal Case Files

1471
01:11:23,180 --> 01:11:20,670
of Great Britain Volume one two and

1472
01:11:25,820 --> 01:11:23,190
three yeah for Case Files of Scotland

1473
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:25,830
volumes 1 & 2 we're talk talked about

1474
01:11:31,070 --> 01:11:28,560
Loch Ness there's a big book on Nessie

1475
01:11:34,220 --> 01:11:31,080
and of course Malia's burg and the

1476
01:11:37,459 --> 01:11:34,230
reason why we do these books it's only

1477
01:11:40,459 --> 01:11:37,469
to let the public know this noise and

1478
01:11:45,370 --> 01:11:40,469
having all this information and failing

1479
01:11:48,500 --> 01:11:45,380
our way it's got a name and a amen hey

1480
01:11:51,979 --> 01:11:48,510
we said here we've always got a book in

1481
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:51,989
the in the works in fact we have one

1482
01:11:57,800 --> 01:11:54,210
that just came out this week it's called

1483
01:12:01,189 --> 01:11:57,810
alien strongholds on earth secret UFO

1484
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:01,199
bases exists all around us and with that

1485
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:02,489
I want to thank you for coming on

1486
01:12:08,180 --> 01:12:04,800
Malcolm it's been a great interview and

1487
01:12:10,689 --> 01:12:08,190
if anything comes up there and across

1488
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:10,699
the pond and we should know about please

1489
01:12:17,629 --> 01:12:14,489
you know drop us an email and we'll have

1490
01:12:19,850 --> 01:12:17,639
you back on the show and in the meantime

1491
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:19,860
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1492
01:12:27,830 --> 01:12:24,330
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1494
01:12:32,130 --> 01:12:29,190
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1495
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:32,140
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